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grace_photos

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RE: Gonzo/POV Mar 2, 2011 10:38am

I believe this site is used as a means for models and photographers to get together to produce images that are mutually acceptable to both parties. However as a comparative novice on this site the question is "does this type of work class as photography?" and in my humble opinion this type of work crosses the boundary and gives all of us a bad name. I am no prude and if two consenting adults wish to do this then I am sure there would be other sites they can use.

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JadedRed

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RE: Gonzo/POV Mar 2, 2011 9:30pm

quoting post from RubyRosetta:

What I find disturbing about it is that it is perfectly easy to find an escort or advertise your escorting services. There are websites that cater for this kind of work, so why use sites like net model? This leads me to believe that part of the 'thrill' is approaching young naive models, who really know very little about the business, about normal rates, and about the exact meaning of phrases like 'extremely explicit shoot'. As for the 'models' who do gonzo...maybe there is a thrill factor for them too, trying to solicit sex from random photographers who most likely won't be interested. Maybe they like to hide under the facade of modelling because they like to pretend that they aren't an escort, even though they are offering escorting service?

If you want to be an escort or use an escort that's fine by me, but for crying out loud just admit it and use an appropriate website, rather than hiding behind 'photography' and 'modelling'.


Because escorts aren't models? I haven't done any research into the matter but I would imagine a fair proportion of escorts wouldn't want to be adult models, much like not all models wanting to be prostitutes. Whilst apparently some people do both I would imagine if you want a model hire a model, if you want an escort hire an escort.

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JadedRed

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RE: Gonzo/POV Mar 2, 2011 9:33pm

quoting post from grace_photos:

"does this type of work class as photography?"

Erm yeh, it's not really a subjective term.

If it was, well I'll just say glass houses and all that.

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RedChecker

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RE: Gonzo/POV Mar 3, 2011 3:14am

The way I look at it, it's mostly to do with the contractual arrangement (of sorts) between the model and photographer.

Having a male model for the shoot effectively introduces a middle-man so to speak and this effectively distances the photographer from any accusations of wrong-doing or the potential for 'favours' to be given/taken. I would personally like to think of the ethics of the porn industry (at least at the higher-end corporate level) in a similar way to the medical profession in which the involvement of people involved is kept to a bare minium (eg. doctors not permitted to have relationships with patients).

I would imagine the 'gonzo' work is generally reserved for one-man porn outfits as I would imagine at the corporate level there's too much money at stake to be involved with any potential accusations of wrong-doing. I understand several of the larger companies do strictly enforce a no-fraternizing policy regarding models & staff.


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JadedRed

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RE: Gonzo/POV Mar 3, 2011 12:45pm

quoting post from RedChecker:

The way I look at it, it's mostly to do with the contractual arrangement (of sorts) between the model and photographer.

Having a male model for the shoot effectively introduces a middle-man so to speak and this effectively distances the photographer from any accusations of wrong-doing or the potential for 'favours' to be given/taken. I would personally like to think of the ethics of the porn industry (at least at the higher-end corporate level) in a similar way to the medical profession in which the involvement of people involved is kept to a bare minium (eg. doctors not permitted to have relationships with patients).

I would imagine the 'gonzo' work is generally reserved for one-man porn outfits as I would imagine at the corporate level there's too much money at stake to be involved with any potential accusations of wrong-doing. I understand several of the larger companies do strictly enforce a no-fraternizing policy regarding models & staff.


What about this guy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Dover

Wikipedia seems to have a list of gonzo producers/actors who seem quite well-known professionals (cant really bring any personal research to this table i'm afraid, unless reading the old porn reviews in bizarre counts and lets face it, most of those weren't about porn).

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RE: Gonzo/POV Mar 3, 2011 1:53pm

Gonzo isn't restricted to photography, in fact it didn't start with photography but journalism, nor does Gonzo require any sexual activity or nudity. Perfectly possible to do Gonzo fashion or editorial.


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