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mannybash

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Views : 2723  Jul 29, 2010 3:59pm

I showed some images of a recent shoot today to the new owner
of a printing shop. He suggested that while good that the current trend is to go for less posed shots and more natural ones. I would imagine that all images have to be posed to some extent but whwere do you draw the line
and similarlyif you want a natural look how far do you go? I am talking in terms of the art nude style

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mannybash

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 29, 2010 4:13pm

He hasn't seen my dance images but apart from those does he have a point?

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DanArcher

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 29, 2010 4:14pm

For a natural look, strip off and start streaking.



I am not a pervert, I am just misunderstood

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PHOTOJOE99

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 29, 2010 4:20pm

You need a good posed natural look.....

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mannybash

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 29, 2010 4:24pm

Hmmm not too sure what to make of that

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OldMaster

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 29, 2010 4:25pm

There is no one answer to this, but of course the final image is a still image!!

You have the choice of total reportage style and the subject not being aware at all..it is down to your eye and timing.

But of course that is not how it is done..and what does the print shop guy know apart from seeing a lot of amateur work may be?

And it depends on the subject matter..you don't want your art/nude subject frisking about...but they may assume a pose that has a dynamic about it or infers motion..without moving! Art nude is often compared to landscape and that doesn't move around much I guess..if the lighting is critical you can't have the model doing her own thing!

As for fashion it is quite common to have the model move/dance..but in controlled circumstances..the photographer sets the parameters and takes loads of pictures to capture the one with the right look?

And those dance pictures..sure the subject is moving, but in a very defined, repeated and controlled fashion..not much left to chance?

But for beauty, portraiture..even most wedding images..you don't want the B&G or their guest jumping about for the pictures you have crafted so carefully..grab the off hand informals by all means, but don't rely on "capturing a moment" by chance?

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mannybash

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 29, 2010 4:29pm

That seems pretty sensible though the guy in the shop does have a mother who is a profesional so i imagine he has some idea

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PicturePaul

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 30, 2010 1:46am

Years and Years ago I read a book on how to blag being an IT professional and it said that to appear as a professional you always disagreed with what the other person said to make you seem more professional and that you knew more!
In your case nice pictures but of course now everyone is going for natural... i pretty much believe that if your pictures had been natural he would have said nice pictures but of course now everyone is going for posed.....


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paulcoxphotography

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 30, 2010 2:35am

I think the subtlety here is whether the image appears posed or appears to be natural. I'm moving away from 'here's a model posed against a studio background' and toward a more natural look or in some cases a more dramatic look. The key thing for me is to try and get the model to look as if you've just stumbled on them doing what they are doing and have taken a picture, in reality though it takes much setting up and preparation. In terms of art nude this would be the style I'd strive for.

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mannybash

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RE: Posed vs natural Jul 30, 2010 2:46am

Interesting, looks a bit like reportage style photography. When i first started this style i did not think that i would persue it. Prior to photographing Holly it took a look a her website and in particular the section on light and form though there are other areas it seemed as though this was what the style was but obviously there are different areas

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 Diceman199

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RE: Posed vs natural Aug 3, 2010 10:30am

Hi Manny,

The headshot you have of the model gazing out the window is, in my opinion anyway, a good example of a posed shot that looks natural. We've all seen people lost in thought looking out of a window before.

As has been said before movement is a way to make things look more natural.

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Circles_of_Confusion

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RE: Posed vs natural Aug 3, 2010 10:39am

quoting post from mannybash:

That seems pretty sensible though the guy in the shop does have a mother who is a profesional so i imagine he has some idea

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Vasilisa

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RE: Posed vs natural Oct 19, 2010 2:44pm

Most 'natural' images are posed anyway if they're taken in the context of a shoot. I find that it's easiest (from a modeling point of view) if the photographer gives a scenario of some sort and I just move continuously while they take photos.

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 Diceman199

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RE: Posed vs natural Oct 19, 2010 2:49pm

Your not going to get many natural images from a model who's posing for you. You might be able to get a few when they are moving from pose to pose, maybe laughing and waving hands around etc but you'll only get true natural shots from candids

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RE: Posed vs natural Oct 19, 2010 3:37pm

A lot depends on what you are trying to achieve, and where you are shooting. I prefer natural looks whilst on location in natural places (waterfalls, beaches etc) but a more dramatically posed shot in a studio environment. Of course, I might swap those around once in a while and go for a contrast of a sharply defined 'edgy' pose, in a smooth natural surrounding for example.

I don't really care what the current trend is, I am shooting the images I want to shoot. If we all went along with this, and all decided to follow the trend, then we would all end up with similar images.

Vive la difference and all that. Shoot what suits you (or your client), not your printer.

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Leona

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RE: Posed vs natural Nov 16, 2010 1:11pm

quoting post from Sandpiper:

I don't really care what the current trend is, I am shooting the images I want to shoot. If we all went along with this, and all decided to follow the trend, then we would all end up with similar images.



Very well said Sandpiper. That's creativity

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