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Kenp

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Views : 2473  Apr 16, 2011 9:34am

...for all of us.
Below is a link to the 5 winning images that secured the winner 40,000 Euros in the foremost Portuguese Photographic competition.


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Link: ...and the winner is...
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RedChecker

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 9:36am




Although, to be fair, how many of us would produce work as crap/mundane as those and be proud to show them to the world?

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Bun

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 11:43am

Erm...

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indemnity

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 11:46am

quoting post from Kenp:

...for all of us.
Below is a link to the 5 winning images that secured the winner 40,000 Euros in the foremost Portuguese Photographic competition.


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So have you worked out where you've been going wrong Ken

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 Razoir



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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 12:40pm

Oh God.

I'm going back under the carpet for a few years.

I would have thrown those away when I was 9. Thank you grandfather for my birthday present, when I was 8. A Kodak Brownie 127. With that I was producing better work after three or four films.

Bye-bye.

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If thou kiss not me?


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 Diceman199

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 1:07pm

Lets put it this way...I wouldn't frame and hang any of those on my wall.

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AndyM

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 1:17pm

I can sort of see something in the second image, but otherwise it is pretty poor - even if they are trying to say something in a "different" way.

I used Google to translate the page, to try and get an idea of the thoughts behind the photos, but to be honest, it still makes no sense.

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Circles_of_Confusion

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 1:21pm

Well I think there is a difference between good and popular.

Basically most people wouldn't know a good picture from a bad one but they know if they like it or not.

Music is an easier analogy. The complexity, the knowledge, the musical ability of someone like Beethoven is not contested. Anyone who knows anything about music knows that is the case.

Ask all the members of NM to name one of his tunes and you'd get just a handful who could. He was good but is he popular?

Whereas the likes of the thug Cheryl Cole who has co written some songs is considered to be a major British talent....Her out put is absolute tripe but you wouldn't think so because of all the f**kwits that buy her music and wouldn't know a good tune if you hit them over the head with it.
The popular vote is of the uniformed and basically people proving they haven't got a clue about anything at all. Except that they like it so they think it's good. No it means they like shit.

Incidentally, That is why I don't believe in democracy by the way

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Natural_happy_girl

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 1:26pm

The second one I sort of like....

the rest are unbelievably poor in my opinion for competition winning images......
they're just so mundane in content and execution........

I really can't see how this work
"questions reality", as the "artist" claims.....

or is it to question the reality of whether this is for real,
whether it could really win the competition,
whether it's an April Fools joke.....

then I get it!

Or if it was for children, people with zero experience, or profound disabilites.....

but otherwise- really?!!

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Kenp

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 2:07pm

Don't waffle. Which one is your fave?


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Kenp

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 2:08pm

quoting post from Circles_of_Confusion:

Basically most people wouldn't know a good picture from a bad one but they know if they like it or not.

Indulge us Ken, why are these prize winners?


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Circles_of_Confusion

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 2:11pm

quoting post from Kenp:

Indulge us Ken, why are these prize winners?


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F***ked if I know. I don't vote either.

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 2:31pm

They all just look like average snapshots that the average Joe would take with his average camera.

If that was the theme of the comp then they have excelled and deserve the first 5 places.

If not...I just don't get it I'm afraid?


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 Razoir



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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 4:07pm

The presence or otherwise, of text is irrelevant. Photography is a visual medium and like music, should be able to stand without words. Of course there are some exceptions, like when a notice or whatever is included or is the main subject.

The brief has little relevance as with this being a photographic competition that principle should over-ride any such consideration.

A demonstration of reified technical ability should certainly take second place to content and expression but these images show little or no intrinsic expressive merit, regardless of either brief or technical ability.

It is entirely possible to demonstrate a high understanding of technique by willfuly ignoring what is usualy taken to be "correct" but that does not seem to be the case here. These photographs have the appearance of photographs taken by people with no skill at all. Either technical, semiotic or aesthetic.

I fear we are seeing the Emporer's new clothes.

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Petesky

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 5:48pm

Shouldn't a good image be able to speak for itself, as in 'a picture paints a thousands words'?

I'd have thought that was especially relevant in documentary photography.


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keithcurtis

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 6:00pm

quoting post from Petesky:

Shouldn't a good image be able to speak for itself, as in 'a picture paints a thousands words'?

I'd have thought that was especially relevant in documentary photography.


pete


After about thirty years of watching judges at work and seeing lots of great winning images of all types plus keeping half an eye on the art world and magazines you realise there are accepted and unwritten rules that give images impact through composition, lighting colour, contrast etc or on the other hand there is the opposite where you break the rules to give people a talking point. These do neither and mostly look like the kind of snap you take to check your exposure before taking the "real" picture.

Nothing memorable about them for me so can't see what makes them winners unless the rest in the competition were worse

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RE: There is hope... Apr 16, 2011 9:32pm

1/ Wow! That was some wind. two and half miles and i finally find my washing.

2/ Now listen George, I really don't have a problem with you being 4' 9", just keep dancing.

3/ I just don't understand people that take cameras into the toilets with them.

4/ I've been sat here for hours concentrating on this dealer waiting for him to make a...Ooo look, a birdy.

5/ Of course i'm not cruel to animals, the chain is tied to his balls for a reason.

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