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I'd like to put a tenner on Harper.

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I'm disappointed no-one else has spotted it. It's in my profile

Just to be clear about the adult image thing - you can filter the home page to not show adult images without removing the ability to look at them on portfolios.

If the home page content really does upset people that badly it does have some flexibility. You can decide to filter by country, content or whether you want to see only models or photographers.

if images make it through that havent been flagged correctly then just report them

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Just to be clear about the adult image thing - you can filter the home page to not show adult images without removing the ability to look at them on portfolios.

If the home page content really does upset people that badly it does have some flexibility. You can decide to filter by country, content or whether you want to see only models or photographers.

if images make it through that havent been flagged correctly then just report them

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It is not an "Adult Image " that is causing my nausea. It is an image which on any other media (we are a form of media are we not?) would be banned, because there are laws against it. So a photographer who posts an illegal image on a media site which is fundamentally illegal because he has not bothered to put a restriction on it is, in my opinion, irresponsible.

My images may be considered by some to be in bad taste, but they are not illegal.

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Nice try but I never want to see it again. Nor will I be party to your criminality.

The images make me physically sick, but then you would need to know me a lot better to know why.

Obviously you don't care so I am talking to a brick wall.

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As I said, I am busy shooting so have no idea which image you are talking about.
If it makes you feel sick, how do you cope photographing people urinating?

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As I said, I am busy shooting so have no idea which image you are talking about.
If it makes you feel sick, how do you cope photographing people urinating?

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Mr Harper, you've been peaking at my website. Thank you

Did you know the average visitor spends 8 minutes 49 seconds which as we all know is the average length of time for a w**k.

I hope you enjoyed it.

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Mr Harper, you've been peaking at my website. Thank you

Did you know the average visitor spends 8 minutes 49 seconds which as we all know is the average length of time for a w**k.

I hope you enjoyed it.

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I hate to disappoint you, but there are a lot of photographers on here, along with models, any number of which are going to cause me to do that long before any image of yours. And it takes a lot longer than 8 minutes and 49 seconds, as I have to have a fag break now and then.

If you recall, there was a forum discussion a while back where you were discussing your content and you invited people to look at your web site to judge the quality of your work. I believe it was about how much planning you put into all your shots, which is self-evident. So I looked and bugger me, it is as good as what you have on here. However, I didn't comment on the content as it would have been inappropriate, but in this case, it was entirely so, as you had been critical of porn on this site.

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Mr Harper, you've been peaking at my website. Thank you

Did you know the average visitor spends 8 minutes 49 seconds which as we all know is the average length of time for a w**k.

I hope you enjoyed it.

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Only took me 3 and a half minutes to finish.

We've really resorted to straight up name calling?

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Why is it so spookily quiet in here? Where has everyone gone? I know its been quiet for a while but its got almost silent. Has PP been the final nail in the coffin?

Got to say I've always had a soft spot for NM. Is there anything we can do to bring people back?

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You asked, "what happened to net-model", your question has be answered, you won't get a finer example of why people can't be bothered with this site and it's membership

For the life of me I can't understand the popularity of PurplePort. I find it clumsy and awkward to use - even logging in is often a problem - and I've had zero responses other than models trolling for custom (Hi, love your profile and would love to work with you...)

What am I missing that everyone else sees?

Do you realise this post will make you the subject of derision over there?

David, anyone who makes any criticism of anything in these sites seems to become an object of derision.

To all ........ Stop the personal insults or the thread goes Simples .........

Disagree, Argue, Debate that is all fine.......

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Having no minimum standards for the approval of new photographers on NM will prove popular with those new to photography and to whom lighting and composition are an alien concept.

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PP doesn't have a minimum standard either. Honestly, its better that way, look at the amount of crap on purestorm.... and they won't let me rejoin.

I thought this topic was old news......

In my opinion the main reason (which applies to myself), was that as a matter of principle people would choose to go elsewhere
as the site owners were ignoring the membership....
particularly on issues such as the model safety statement, which Chris Anderson (R.I.P), was trying to instigate.

..and more and more have til hardly anyone logs in now.....

It's the people that made the site good, nothing about the site itself, and if the people wanted to move somewhere more attractive where the landlord gave a shit about the punters then that seemed like a good idea...

simples

Oh...PS (edit) If this sounds rather rampantly negative, then note I have contributed to the best of nm thread too :>P

Well I've just started a thread, so unless you're a hypocrite; I suggest you go over there and have a look-see;

http://www.net-model.com/Forums/ReadThread.asp?ThreadID=1912901

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I have unlocked the thread but if it continues in the same vein it will locked again for good.

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...And it takes a lot longer than 8 minutes and 49 seconds, as I have to have a fag break now and then...

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I'm NOT trying to reopen the argument and I'm NOT taking sides, but that is one of the best one-liners I've ever seen on this site. Brilliant!

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You asked, "what happened to net-model", your question has be answered, you won't get a finer example of why people can't be bothered with this site and it's membership

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Absolutely correct! The way this thread has developed really plumbs new depths.

I hope the thread is locked or better still deleted. I am surprised that adults would put there name to such stuff.

No arguments so back to the original question why is it so quiet in here?

We all know this a great community, I do still love it here and I've met and worked with lovely people, no argument with that however, to survive Net-Model needs new members, lots of them and we need them to be active so may I compare this site with the competition?

This is what a non-member is faced with after finding the various sites for the first time, remember this could be a young, trendy aspiring model.

Which has the most instant appeal? Lets start there.

DISCUSS !

Phil, it has been argued to death, but you are right, a young and impressionable person looking at NM for the first time, is unlikely to be impressed. Your image doesn't show the view many will get, that being three or four Adult Restriction notices instead of images. The whole appearance is drab and uninviting.

Lots, myself included, don't worry about this, but what we are happy with isn't going to make others like it. I am not going to list the things that several people have suggested, it is pointless.

So before I say more let me just say I am on NM, PP,PS, and MM, I am not particularly vocal on PS, I never contribute a thing to MM, oh and I am on Facebook, I have no particular axe to grind about any. My preferences are towards NM PP and FB.

Like Orson I am struggling to fit models into the next two months, my difference is that several are from NM.

Out of interest, I don't know if this proves anything but I put a non nude picture up on FB and PP last Wednesday, I put the same picture up on NM on Friday.

PP....11 views
FB .. 18 views
NM ...61 views

I don't know what that proves but it hardly looks like a dead site.

If a picture doesn't hit the front page images on PP it dies, my picture was run off the front page faster than on a bad day on here. If they hit FPi they get several hundred views if they don't throw them in the bin.

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Feel free to post it here as i don't know which one you are talking about. Sorry for the delay, I am in the middle of a shoot

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Perhaps he means this sickening lack of concern for health and safety? Probably breaches all sorts of regulations as well

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So before I say more let me just say I am on NM, PP,PS, and MM, I am not particularly vocal on PS, I never contribute a thing to MM, oh and I am on Facebook, I have no particular axe to grind about any. My preferences are towards NM PP and FB.

Like Orson I am struggling to fit models into the next two months, my difference is that several are from NM.

Out of interest, I don't know if this proves anything but I put a non nude picture up on FB and PP last Wednesday, I put the same picture up on NM on Friday.

PP....11 views
FB .. 18 views
NM ...61 views

I don't know what that proves but it hardly looks like a dead site.

If a picture doesn't hit the front page images on PP it dies, my picture was run off the front page faster than on a bad day on here. If they hit FPi they get several hundred views if they don't throw them in the bin.

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Tony -- I'm not deliberately looking for things to disagree about, but could the higher number of views on NM be because an upload on NM has less competition than on other sites? The uploads on here are often few and far between, so a pic can remain on the front page for literally hours.

Similarly, the number of views of my portfolio on here is pretty much the same these days as it has been for the last couple of years. As there are considerably fewer members on line these days, could it be that people are looking at my pics only because there isn't that much else to view?

As I said, I'm not trying to pick an argument. I'm just suggesting a reason behind the statistics.

EDIT: As for PP, a pic I uploaded four days ago - and which did not get on the front page - has notched up 97 views.

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PP doesn't have a minimum standard either. Honestly, its better that way, look at the amount of crap on purestorm.... and they won't let me rejoin.

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PP restricts free members to 14 portfolio photos, but free members get unlimited uploads for he first few weeks. This means that new images are often dominated by new and inexperienced models and photographers.

I don't see blank portfolios on there like there are on NM, so presumably new profiles are not enabled until the owner has uploaded some pictures. PS is a magnet for GWCs as it is just so easy to book "sexy" models for them to shoot on there. PP is probably a bit too arty for many GWCs to feel comfortable there, but I have begun to see a few on there. If PP does become popular with glamour models then it will be swamped with GWC applicants, just like PS has been and why 2/3 photographer applications to join PS are not accepted. So, I would expect PP to tighten up on the approval of new members if they want to retain the overall quality of the site.

IMHO the overall quality photos on PP is higher than PS which is higher than here. This site used to be the one to look for art nude models. PS is now a much better source for art nude. Just look at the number of recent feedbacks from the top art models like ivoryflame on here and PS to see just how the pendulum has swung from here to PS.

Perhaps the biggest failure of this site is the lack of people who hire models rather than just do TF shoots. Hobby models may have abounded in the heyday of NM, but times have changed. NM membership these days does appear to consist mostly of grumpy old male photographers moaning about the lack of nubile young women willing to shoot for free (like in the "good old days"). Most new models are now wanting to be able to do some paid shoots and this site prevents them from doing this effectively.

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Perhaps the biggest failure of this site is the lack of people who hire models rather than just do TF shoots. Hobby models may have abounded in the heyday of NM, but times have changed. NM membership these days does appear to consist mostly of grumpy old male photographers moaning about the lack of nubile young women willing to shoot for free (like in the "good old days"). Most new models are now wanting to be able to do some paid shoots and this site prevents them from doing this effectively.

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There are some of us still here.

Admittedly the number of shoots I do these days has tailed off significantly - the desire to continuously lay out large amounts of cash to shoot when all around there seems to be a sea of others shooting only for images has diminished.

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If a picture doesn't hit the front page images on PP it dies, my picture was run off the front page faster than on a bad day on here. If they hit FPi they get several hundred views if they don't throw them in the bin.

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I have to disagree with you Mr Nutely. As we were discussing over a cuppa the other day at mine FPI are added every hour- so there is no way of running your image off the front page fast- you can view on the homepage up to 5 lines of FPI images on PP so technically your image could be on the Front page for 35 hours- it then remains there forever on the 'view more' unless you delete it.

If you mean the recently added images then there is no way PP can control that- PP can't help people uploading around 500 images a day (or far more.) Every site will be the same, PS, NM, if they get lots of uploads on a day of course an image you upload will get pushed further down.

Images are not useless once uploaded and if they don't get on the Front page. If you are active in the groups, if you tweet links, share images on facebook, add image tags, and are generally active in the community they will all get seen but it's up to you to make yourself seen.

I suppose the fact you can so easily see the stats on PP it makes you really pay attention to what's happening, where as on PS you have absolutely NO idea what views your images are getting so there is nothing to complain about


I hope the above clears that up.