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Tony -- I'm not deliberately looking for things to disagree about, but could the higher number of views on NM be because an upload on NM has less competition than on other sites? The uploads on here are often few and far between, so a pic can remain on the front page for literally hours.

Similarly, the number of views of my portfolio is pretty much the same these days as it has been for the last couple of years. As there are considerably fewer members on line these days, could it be that people are looking at my pics only because there isn't that much else to view?

As I said, I'm not trying to pick an argument. I'm just suggesting a reason behind the statistics.

EDIT: As for PP, a pic I uploaded four days ago - and which did not get on the front page - has notched up 97 views.

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Martin you may not be deliberately trying to disagree but you're giving quite a good impression of it.

As I said I only put that up out of interest, your surmising is wrong, it was off the front page in less than an hour I don't know how long it was visible but when I looked back roughly 50 minutes later (I was switching my computer off) it had gone from the front page and had 27 views, by last night it had 60 views it now has 68 views.

I had a picture on PP that had around 80 views after it had been on the site for about four months, someone dug into the archives and then put it on to the front page, within days it was my most viewed picture, and in no way is it my best, to get reasonable views you have to get on the front page, on here you don't.

On here I leave pictures up as my main image until they reach 1000 or more views then when I realise that the figure has been passed I change them, even in these 'austere' times, I am still changing them regularly, so it can't all be that bad. Interestingly enough although I have some well viewed pictures on PP none are remotely as well viewed as on NM, I have made at least three, possibly four changes on NM in the time that I've been on PP.

I am not knocking PP, I have been a member since pretty well the beginning, I really like the site, and use it regularly, I like Russ and Sarah, I'm very appreciative of all that Russ has achieved and all that he's planning for the future, but I also hope I have the class to leave this site if and when I do with a certain amount of dignity not kicking it to death. I've had good times here, I also have a lot of loyalty to it, maybe I'll have to turn off the lights when I go, so be it, I'll do that.

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it was off the front page in less than an hour

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FPI are added every hour- so there is no way of running your image off the front page fast- you can view on the homepage up to 5 lines of FPI images on PP so technically your image could be on the Front page for 35 hours- it then remains there forever on the 'view more' unless you delete it.

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FPI are added every hour- so there is no way of running your image off the front page fast- you can view on the homepage up to 5 lines of FPI images on PP so technically your image could be on the Front page for 35 hours- it then remains there forever on the 'view more' unless you delete it.

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You may have misunderstood Sarah, you also have new images on the front page, and these can vanish within five minutes as they also can on here, and that was what I was referring too.

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You may have misunderstood Sarah, you also have new images on the front page, and these can vanish within five minutes as they also can on here, and that was what I was referring too.

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Ah OK, got you. You meant the recent images then, front page images are chosen, but you are correct, both FPI's and recent images can be shown on the home page.

You can view up to five rows of FPI's and recent images if that helps, but as PP is very popular it gets hundreds of image uploads a day- it is a fast moving stream indeed. However, if you simply click the 'more...' button then it will show you all the rest of the images.

Russ has tried to do a limit button on how many images you see from each person so perhaps once this is sorted it will be a good feature for you to use.
Hope that helps. x

This site is dear to my heart, I have been here for several years, had some great times and met a lot of great people. I have no intention of leaving and I hope things pick up around here.

But I don't think they will. In fact I'm pretty sure about it and it saddens me.

Why am I so sure? I just went and had a look at PP. As PhilGW pointed out a page or two back, this site looks dull, boring and dated against the competitors. The front page isn't going to attract much new blood here, particularly amongst the young crowd, who are the models we are supposed to be looking for.

For me though, the kicker in the goolies is how much easier the PP site is to use than this one. As a potential new user, the first thing I wanted to do was check out the potential models in my local area. The site has an easy to use drop down menu system with all the options I want. The major ones being "distance" so I can specify a radius from my location and how I want them ordered (nearest, most experienced, most refs etc). So, I typed in my town (Southport), within 20 miles and nearest first please. I was shown several models for southport, a couple of which had last logged in a month ago, but the rest had all logged in within the last week. In addition, I was then shown models for all the nearby towns and cities as well.

OK, let's try net-model. Hmmm, distinct lack of search features. OK, I can enter my town or my county. County is a problem because Merseyside isn't on the list (a fact I drew to James' attention about 4 years ago, he asked me to draw up a full list of UK counties, which I did - there were others missing as well - so far he hasn't updated the list). Also, I live on the border between two and the northern one is quite large. So, I enter my town again. Ooh, looks good at first glance, more Southport models than PP, but wait, only one has logged in during 2012, all the others last logged in between 1 and 6 years ago. Not looking so good now, just the one model. If I want to see who is in nearby towns, I now have to redo the search typing in each town or village, one at a time.

Really bad impression by this site, horrible searching method which takes ages, compared to one quick search covering the radius I want, plus the resulting N-M list being almost entirely inactive models, whereas PP drops accounts that lie dormant for 2 months I believe.

OK, let's try casting calls. Same situation. PP has the drop down menus, so I can ask for casting calls for female models, wanting TF, within 10 miles and get a concise list of all suitable casting calls in my area. N-M has the Looking for Work forums. Hmmm, no search facility. I am now faced with a list of threads in the LFW:TFP forum with titles like " shoot this weekend", "two girls wanting TFP", "need portfolio update", with no cl;ue as to where they are in the country (true there are some threads where the model has the sense to say where they are in the title). So I would have to go through, opening each one to see which might be local to me.

Sorry N-M, but if I was looking for a site to join today, this would not be it. The facilities for actually finding a model / photographer whatever (surely the prime reason to join) are a joke. It is incredibly hard to try and search for models in a local area. The site looks, feels and indeed IS very dated. If it isn't dragged into the modern era it will go under, I am now sure of it.

Then consider that the premium membership here is DOUBLE that of PP (although, to be fair, still less than MM or PS) and it is easy to see why premium members are becoming very thin on the ground.

Oh, it will struggle on for quite some time yet, as us old fogeys with fond memories of it in it's prime try and stay loyal to our first love, but as the community lessens even the one good thing about N-M that remains, the community spirit, will also wane.

I am sure the forums will pick up a little soon, they are particularly slow at the moment but let us not forget that Circles has been away for the last week, and that alone will drop forum traffic by about 20%.

Like some others in this thread, I will try and save N-M in the vain hope that James will revamp the site, but I hold out no real hope of him doing so. In the meantime, I intend to get back to doing some shoots with models, and I will try and arrange them through THIS site wherever possible. I am joining in Circles BPOTD competition to try and help that along, and I will keep kicking the dying body of N-M in the hope that it might actually get up and dance, once again.

I've made some very good friends on here, but Ive pretty much given up on the site, as the owner seems to have done the same.

Last year I gave it another chance, but this year I've not renewed my subscription.

It's sad to see a once popular site full of interesting, diverse people and opinions sinking, but that's what it's doing.

If the owner doesn't want the hassle anymore then either sell the site or let it be 'managed' by people who do care otherwise it'll just wither away.

yeah theres def something that can be done stop picking on people posting on adult castings i get accused mine are same even if i change words but as soon as i have a problem with my account or someone nobody does anything even when you tell escape, it puts me off wanting to upgrade x

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yeah theres def something that can be done stop picking on people posting on adult castings i get accused mine are same even if i change words but as soon as i have a problem with my account or someone nobody does anything even when you tell escape, it puts me off wanting to upgrade x

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I think I know what you mean...

the over zealous mods are hassling you for posting the same LFW threads or bumping to keep them on the front page.....am I right?

not sure that thats whats killing the site - but fair point anyway

mind you - if they didnt keep an eye on it the same models might just keep posting endless identical threads to stay on the front page and that might be even more crappy....who can say?

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I think I know what you mean...

the over zealous mods are hassling you for posting the same LFW threads or bumping to keep them on the front page.....am I right?

not sure that thats whats killing the site - but fair point anyway

mind you - if they didnt keep an eye on it the same models might just keep posting endless identical threads to stay on the front page and that might be even more crappy....who can say?

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That is one advantage of paying, you can exclude certain forum topics. I disabled LFW (paid) age ago as they were terrible at times.

BUt I doubt they particularly damage the site as the paying members leaving or downgrading could hide them anyway. I doubt people thinking of joining look at the forum threads before deciding to join or not.

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That is one advantage of paying, you can exclude certain forum topics. I disabled LFW (paid) age ago as they were terrible at times.

BUt I doubt they particularly damage the site as the paying members leaving or downgrading could hide them anyway. I doubt people thinking of joining look at the forum threads before deciding to join or not.

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You are missing out big time!!

70% of the current posts on the front page (7 out of 10 visible posts) are LFW.

Personally I like to see them, its likely that models who post LFW threads are actually looking for work and will probably turn up if booked. Its the 1st place I look - before I go to Purestorm and post a casting

yeah sorry about my casting rant lol i have met some great people from this site and i do well for work from it too but it does need an update of some sort to bring people back sometimes a fresh new look can be enough and maybe better search functions. I only have very few images on my account but i have done well with the 11082 views i have had since dec which I am proud of and that is thanks to net model and its members xx