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Paqui

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City: Mexborough
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 30, 2007
Posts: 79

Wow... I didn't realise things here were as negative as all this, so many posts of doom and gloom. I am basically reposting what I said on different forum with a few tweaks but...

What is wrong with this as compared to other sites? Doom, gloom, negativity, and broken promises of an update.

On the other hand, this was my first site; I booked most of my shoots on here; more recently I have done some elsewhere, but I suppose I must be a dodo having taught web design since 1995 (anyone remember hot potato and when Mosaic was a new browser?), I like it. I find the design has everything where I expect to find it and the people are amongst my favourite netizens :-)

However as has already been said many times, as well as an interested owner, a website needs interest and members. What we need are more new people introducing to the site. Committed, high quality, models like the new NatashaBelle, who I had a brilliant shoot with on Thursday.

Having said all of that, in any business it isn't enough anymore to look at a single marketing tool, method, or tactic. Even less so a single web presence on a single site. Lots of us on here have a portfolio here, PS, PP, MM, Flickr, MC, even facebook, as well as our own websites. That is the modern Web 2.0/connected/social media world and will only get more so.

One final word of what is making things worse here is the number of photographers who, like me, have decided to go for a free account and accepted the limitations. The way that looks, since free accounts are never purged, is that everyone is leaving. Are they really? Many people who have said they were fed up and going have continued to log on and contribute from their now free account. Granted, often in unhelpful negative terms of doom, but is that the same as leaving? Afterall I haven't left, though I never said I was going to, but I have dropped to a free account as has many other people on here.

Cheers

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 Solveman



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City: Basildon
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Jan 27, 2012
Posts: 584

Personally, I like NM as a site. It was the first one that I joined. I have since added a portfolio to PP, MM and TFP Models. Of all the sites, though, I prefer PP as it isn't limited to model oriented shoots. I tried to open a PS portfolio but was unable to do so for some stupid reason so I thought: Stuff it!

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Thals

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City: Gold Coast
Country: Australia
Member Since: May 20, 2013
Posts: 3

Well, here goes. It's been a long, long time between forum posts and photo shoots with net-model models.

My original profile was deleted. Not sure when, but at the time I was pertty peed off with the site for the same reasons given by most of you on this thread. A few years ago I decided not to renew my Platinum membership and let it lapse to a free account.

Eventually out of protest I deleted all my images because when it went to a free account they deleted my best and most viewed images. I can only assume why anyone would delete those that show my work at its best.

I'm back, with a new free account and recent images more in line with the genre I want to do. Lo and behold, I'm over 18 (well over), but I can't view any "adult" images on here. So I can't compare my adult style and check for suitable models. What a joke!

So I shall just post on Looking for Australian - South East Queensland models who will do - Sheer/Seethru, topless, nude, erotic and fetish (girl/girl boxing and cbusting) as that seems to be the most expeditious way of making money out of photography. I would not advertise those styles on Star Now though. Only here and a couple of other sites including my facebook profile.

I sincerely wish everyone here on net-model the very best of success (that goes for James and all administrators. After all, it is their bread and butter too)

Cheers
Thals
(Chris)

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Raven_Nyx

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City: Bristol
Country: United Kingdom
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I think its to do with the membership as he's not the first to point out they cant view adult photos on a free membership base.

I couldn't when I was a free member either.
I guess if you want the bets things in life you've to pay for it.

Raisin cookies are why I have trust issues.

http://www.facebook.com/GothiccFantasy?ref=hl


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Damien

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City: Bristol
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 13, 2003
Posts: 5390

quoting post from Thals:

I'm back, with a new free account and recent images more in line with the genre I want to do. Lo and behold, I'm over 18 (well over), but I can't view any "adult" images on here. So I can't compare my adult style and check for suitable models. What a joke!


I'm a free member and can view adult images. Click account, edit preferences, Click to remove the tick on "Do not display images with Adult Content" then click "update general preferences" and you will be able to see any images that a platinum member can see unless they are posted in the premium member forums.

Oh, and Raven, the adult images are often not the best ones

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 NickG



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City: Ealing
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 16, 2004
Posts: 2600

quoting post from brisman:

Discuss here. Why is it that sites like Model Mayhem and Star Now are raking in the talent from both Australia and overseas, whilst over here the users are bemoaning the lack of action?

Isn't a website or forum only really as good as the people who are members of it?

Is there anything you don't like about NM that prevents you from coming here and contributing to it?

Some have complained this site is not very user-friendly and difficult to navigate, but in the last 8 years I have been a member I have not had any problems with it. The only time I did once was when a model used this forum to bad mouth me to any models who indicated interest in shooting with me after I had disagreed with her stance on the gaming industry, but that was years ago and she's pretty much moved on.

A sites success depends on the people who use it. I reckon that Lloyd Ross and James Hussein ought to do a spring clean and get rid of the flakey models and photographers on here, as well as those who have not contributed to a forum or updated their profile in at least the last 12 months. It shows that they are not serious about modelling if they're not going to bother.

I am still going to continue with my photography next year and post to this forum. Let's see more models and photographers here taking advantage of what NM has to offer and do something about it instead of complaining "where is everybody?!"

:-)


Oh blimey.

Well, as others have said, most folk have buggered off elsewhere. I am one of them, I rarely look in on this site now. Crucially, the reason that I do is that this was my internet photographic home; I look in to see if it has come back to life.

It's a funny world, most people from here have gone to Purple Port, in some ways it's a better site, in some ways not, however the owner there seems to care what people think, and we all want to feel loved.

There are many little niggles with this site, in the main they are no more than that; niggles. However, James, the owner here has ignored them, and worse than that, promised all sorts of upgrades and changes and then failed to deliver. If I am going to give my money to a business, I expect them to give at least a level of customer service.

For a while, a number of members made the valid point that people should stop whinging, and start contributing, both in threads and with photos. They were right, in a way, but the whinging was only there really because people cared, they wanted to feel wanted; they wanted an excuse to rejoin the community.

The community is still here, just. It seems to be about three or four people now, and I comment their tenacity and loyalty. Largely though it have moved on, probably to Purple Port, possibly to other places. I can only be bothered to keep up with one place at a time, so I don't know if the usual suspects hang out elsewhere as well.

James could have sold this site a couple of years back. He chose not to, but seems to want it just to die. Maybe he will re-engage and the site will come back to life, but I suspect not.

/Drunken Rant

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Thals

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City: Gold Coast
Country: Australia
Member Since: May 20, 2013
Posts: 3

I've discovered that I can view adult images. There was an option to select whether to view adult images or not and when I set up my account I think it defaulted to "Do not display images with Adult Content" So I unchecked the box and now I can view adult content.

Thanks for your suggestions and help

Best wishes
Thals (Chris)

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brisman

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City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Member Since: Feb 8, 2005
Posts: 183


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anthonyh

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City: Ramsgate and Chelmsford
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 3640

I started here and was a paying member...now I am an infrequent visitor....and now a free member obviously. If the site went belly up tomorrow I'd hardly notice to be honest...would anyone?

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anthonyh

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City: Ramsgate and Chelmsford
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 3640

This site is ridiculous.....out of curiosity I went back to the 'sent' emails when I first joined and clicked on some of the models I was mailing.....they still have portfolios here (listing their current ages I notice) despite not logging on since 2008....that says alot about this site.

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BildMeister

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City: Edmonton
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 22, 2012
Posts: 35

It's so nice to read positive messages and post on a site. Have a look at madcowmodels. Hard working owner and manager, always up to date, friendly co-operative models and photographers.

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 MichaelSmith



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City: Adelaide
Country: Australia
Member Since: Oct 31, 2004
Posts: 6142

Nine threads for the whole of 2013 on the Aussie forum says it all really. I remember when there would have nine (or more) threads on here daily.

Oh well, enough of the nostalgia, back to Facebook for me ....

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hartpaul

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City: Murwillumbah
Country: Australia
Member Since: Dec 10, 2001
Posts: 40

quoting post from anthonyh:

This site is ridiculous.....out of curiosity I went back to the 'sent' emails when I first joined and clicked on some of the models I was mailing.....they still have portfolios here (listing their current ages I notice) despite not logging on since 2008....that says alot about this site.

I can beat that . I shot this model back in 2005. I have another site and had some modelling pictures of her on there. She managed to contact me this year asking if I could remove those images because she was now in a job position where they would be detrimental.
I told her, her folio with more revealing pictures was still up here on net model . Received a mail back from her that she had forgotten her log in details and the email connected was defunct so she could not get them down.
http://www.net-model.com/Portfolios/ModelPortfolio.asp?UserID=19499&IID=&cmd=&linking=

So that makes a folio that is now 8 years old. The model does not look like that anymore and is no longer modelling. How can anyone take this site seriously??? They have not had a cull or clean out of any and all folios more than 2 years old. So if you regard the active ones as crops and the redundant folios as weeds then this farmland is desolate.

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brisman

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City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Member Since: Feb 8, 2005
Posts: 183

Even MM has its share of slackasses. A good number of models in Brisbane don't use it anymore because they got discouraged by perverts and GWCs hitting them up for dating, sex and porn/lingerie shoots. The only Brisbane model I know who does take MM very seriously is Becstasy and she updates her profile on an almost weekly basis.

I agree that Star Now are a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites from my own experience. Back in around 2009, I put up a casting call for some models for fetish videos I was making as well as for a band to endorse the nudist lifestyle.

The admins threw me off the site after getting alleged complaints from models/musos about the nature of the band as well as one model falsely accusing me of refusing to pay her for the fetish shoot which was bullshit.
They didn't bother to listen to my story and what my vision was for the band.

It's ridiculous. If people running entertainment websites don't play fair and conduct themselves in a serious, business-like manner then they have only themselves to blame when their customers and users vote with their feet and go elsewhere. Trouble is, there aren't any other major casting sites like Star Now and Facebook (where most of the MM models seem to be going) does not allow nude imagery.

It's a no-win situation for me. :-(


Dario Western

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 MichaelSmith



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City: Adelaide
Country: Australia
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MM appears to be in decline now - at least for SA users (and I presume the same is happening elsewhere in Australia) with membership numbers dropping, and fewer members logging in frequently. I really only use MM for booking shoots with travelling models now.

Purpleport (a UK based "successor" to this site) never took off amongst Australian users.

timeforprint.com.au (although really just a forum site, although it had the potential to expand into portfolios if it had ever taken off enough, which it never did) closed down early last year after being slightly less dead than the Aussie part of NM has been for a while.

I just came across a new Australian internet modelling site today, and apart from suffering from the usual "chicken and egg" dilemma any of these types of site face when starting up, it looked as if it went live before the site was fully developed, lots of blanks where it shouldn't be blank. Not a good look for a site that apparently has been up and running for close to a year.

It appears that Oz photographers and models have forsaken all internet modelling sites in favour of Facebook. The only problem with that is, aside from the content restrictions that Brisman mentioned, is the lack of safety on FB for models. The dodgy messages on MM notwithstanding, at least you can report them and have the offending members removed from the site, which is not necessarily guaranteed on FB, given it's much more general and considerably more vast user base. Also to message someone on MM, I have to join as a photographer, put up some photos and at least be subject to some basic screening before my request to join is approved. Not perfect and certainly can be circumvented but at least there's something of a hurdle there to jump over. Whereas on FB anyone can put up a page and say they're a photographer.



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q6photos

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City: Perth,Hamilton Hill
Country: Australia
Member Since: Sep 26, 2004
Posts: 561

I find it interesting that almost 2 years after original post. Despite all the Doom & Gloom that was in that OP and around the site in general that NM is still alive and kicking.
Perhaps photographers could help the cause by suggesting more models join the site as free members.
If , we invite all our models to join, and maybe help them get some photos up , we can revitalise the site.
Once more models are onboard, then Photographers will return to photograph them.
Cheers
Derek

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 Ace



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City: Reading
Country: United Kingdom
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quoting post from q6photos:

I find it interesting that almost 2 years after original post. Despite all the Doom & Gloom that was in that OP and around the site in general that NM is still alive and kicking.
Perhaps photographers could help the cause by suggesting more models join the site as free members.
If , we invite all our models to join, and maybe help them get some photos up , we can revitalise the site.
Once more models are onboard, then Photographers will return to photograph them.
Cheers
Derek


I couldn't agree with you more Q6 and with the present state of the site, you have the opportunity making this the go to Aus site.

Sites declining seem to be a self fulfilling prophesy. When people's only contribution was to say that the site was on it's way out and they are leaving, it's bound to go down. If the same people had written threads with interesting topics, this would still be the place to be.

Ok the owner hasn't done much and the site is antiquated but there isn't any over zealous admin, so we have a pretty free playground. We can make the site what we want within reason.

I do my best with the comp and would welcome some input from you guys down there. I don't think this site will ever be what it was but it could still be quite a comfortable place for photographers and a place to get work for models.



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 MichaelSmith



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I'd like to think enticing Aussies back to this site would be easy, but you only have to look at the lack of/falling off of Aussie participation on sites like MM and PP, and the general disenchantment towards these types of sites being expressed by Aussie models and photographers that I'm hearing constantly to see that sadly that isn't the case. Whether it's justified or not (and often admittedly it isn't) their perceptions of internet modelling sites are the sign-up processes are too cumbersome and slow for their liking, and that they are havens for sleazes and GWC-types (in the original sense of the term), where they will be bombarded with inappropriate messages and inappropriate shoot requests.

And these same people overlook that Facebook has the same issues in regards to inappropriate messages and dodgy photographers/flaky models/unrealistic expectations about who gets paid and how much, but because they're on FB usually as well for other reasons suddenly they are totally forgiving of these same flaws on FB.

These are the perceptions any internet modelling site has to overcome if they are going to pitch themselves to the Aussie photographer and modelling community. Such a site needs an absolutely up to date interface with a super robust and streamlined joining process. It needs enough screening to keep the dodgy types out but not to the point where it appears to be excluding and elitist. It needs controls on site interactions but not to the point where enforcement becomes overzealous or petty, or favours some over others. It needs to exclude the posting of some types of photos but still be absolutely accommodating of most photographic genres. It would need to accommodate a range of conflicting and often even incompatible needs of a wide range of users, whose aspirations and expectations will often just as varied and incompatible with each other. Only then maybe, just maybe, a critical mass of Aussie users could be enticed on board.

We can only hope that Netmodel 2.0 (which one of this site's mods has confirmed is in development) has sufficiently robust architecture to be the beginnings of what's required to achieve the above.

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Rimfire

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Unfortunately if any message these days is more than six words long any potential model ………………… Whoops.. too long

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 MichaelSmith



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City: Adelaide
Country: Australia
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A few interesting stats:

Aussie members on NM: 4429
Aussie members on MM: 16,237
Aussie members on PP (according to it's interactive map): 65

Aussie members on MM who have logged in the last 30 days: 5560 (34%)
I can't search on the number of Aussie NM members who are inactive (as I only have a free membership on here) but presumably it would be very high. PP's "map" doesn't indicate how active those 65 Aussie members are, and I'm no longer a PP member so can't search any further than that.

Clearly, as a newer venture in the internet modelling world, PP has totally failed in terms of getting a critical mass of Aussie members on board. In spite of anecdotal evidence of Aussie usage of MM being in decline (and only one-third of members logging in the last 30 days would support that), the Aussie membership numbers on MM are still very high and are nearly as many as UK members on PP (currently over 18,000). And while most Aussie members have deserted NM, they haven't been able to entirely erase their presence on here, with quite a few (but mostly presumably inactive) memberships remaining. But how easily could they be enticed back?

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 Ace



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Hi Michael,
I've just had a tally and 38 Aussies have logged on to NM this month (1st - 21st Dec).

Tell me what you would like me to check on PP and I'll have look when I have minute.



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 MichaelSmith



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quoting post from  Ace:

Hi Michael,
I've just had a tally and 38 Aussies have logged on to NM this month (1st - 21st Dec).

Tell me what you would like me to check on PP and I'll have look when I have minute.



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Thanks for looking Ace That translates to 1% of Aussie NM members logging in the last month. Also there are just three Aussie NM members remaining with paid memberships (two photographers and one model).

I've just had another look at the PP search page and I've been able to get some results even though I'm a non-member. However because of the way it's set up - with the whole "miles within of" rather than being able to search specifically for Aussie members, it does require some guesswork. But looks like even as a non-member I can still narrow down a search to recently active members also. Setting it to within 1500 miles of me brings up 65 members in total (which tallies with what is on PP's member map). Interestingly the log-in rate within 30 days is quite high in percentage terms - 74% (48 - which is only slightly higher than the number of active Aussie members on NM).

However there are just 15 Australian models on PP, with 47 photographers. So it's never broken out of the "chicken and egg dilemma phase" for Aussies.

So to rank the three sites:

Overall Aussie members:

MM
NM
PP

Active (logged in over last month) Aussie members (by numbers)

MM
PP
NM

Active (logged in over last month) Aussie members (by % of total Aussie members)

PP
MM
NM

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 Ace



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City: Reading
Country: United Kingdom
Member Since: Apr 12, 2006
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Interesting stuff Michael.
Although NM is behind in the rankings, it's not by much and I guess that could fluctuate month by month.



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 MichaelSmith



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quoting post from  Ace:

Interesting stuff Michael.
Although NM is behind in the rankings, it's not by much and I guess that could fluctuate month by month.



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Indeed Ace These results show that in terms of active Aussie members, there's not much difference between PP and NM. For reasons best known to the PP management, they didn't seem too interested in getting more Aussies to sign up on PP (while I believe they did do specific campaigns aimed at getting more US people to sign up).

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hartpaul

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City: Murwillumbah
Country: Australia
Member Since: Dec 10, 2001
Posts: 40

Hello Peeps. Just logging in and making comment since my last login in Oct 2013 - so almost 4 years ago. Had knee and hip replacement and another knee replacement due this October. So have not been very active in photography unless shooting from window of car.

I see very little has changed and also that model from my last post still has a portfolio that has not been visited since 2006 so more than 10 years old and probably very different now.

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