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takeapicofme

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Views : 1860  Sep 18, 2015 6:24pm

Not looking for an argument or being political... also note... I'm not the best at spelling, grammar or style... Sorry, in advance.. Plus I have used odd text abbreviation...

My post is aimed at looking at how to get more professional male models on sites like this and more female photographers on them! I can only comment about UK, so any other locations in the world have views, please do comment as well!

I STRESS that this is not pointed at Net-Model, just general observations I have of the industry as a hole, on sites like this...

I'm just putting this up as I'm interested and puzzled. I would like to see if others agree with my observations. Are they correct and why?

I have been modeling for many years now and have done a wide range of shoots and events, from film openings to fetish catwalks. I never had as many problems getting shoots on sites like this, until recently... It is not my crap looks or my age, but that prob. is not helping... lol but on a serious point, I get lots of bookings on other sites, but decreasing bookings on sites like this... Is it a Facebook issue, I have been asking myself, but then looking harder I spotted some odd trends as of late?

I now find it shocking that male models in the UK are increasingly being looked, as are female photographers. Could be wrong, but interested to see if that is true....

With male models, like me, we tend to now be seen on sites like this as less important to photograph than female models. Is this a new form of sexism? lol

Over the years, I have found that male models, when on images tend to boost the commercial aspect of pictures, when with female models, also depending on the shot that is... Male solo images can, if good, bring in far more cash than say just a solo female shoots. That appears to be down to a massive gap in the market. I can't see why photographers don't see the value of male models in shoots. - You views please???

Asking many female models, they tend to say they are more likely to say yes to a shoot, if solo etc, seeing photos of males along the side of females on a photographers profile... Female models - is that correct on here?

I am not attacking 'hobby' photographers with this comment, as they are often just as good or sometimes far better than most pro. togs I have worked with... but on forum, sites now, I see a growing tend only shoot female models, by 'hobby' photographers. Even studios I have talked to are put off now advertising on forum sites when offering male and female model shoots or worse still male only shoots... But when they do, often if marketed correctly, on non forum sites they sell out extremely fast and can bring in far higher profits... So why is this happening on forum sites? Would a few studio day shoots set up for to allow photographers to use male models and female models be of help?

It seems most togs on forum sites tend to panic, as they just do not know what to do on a shoot with a male model. If a male, who does bondage etc. shoots like me, they tend to run a mile, as well as panic! lol

Then we have the other odd thing on forum photography websites. I'm seeing less and less female photographers using these sites. I tend to get lots of requests via studios and also via events from female photographers, but less and less on sites like this... When I chat to them about forum sites, they often say that when on these sites, they feel it is to centered on female model photography and less balanced. They also say that they just do not see any opportunities for them... Is this correct???

I stress that I'm not saying that about NM, but as a rule on forum sites that to me, appear to be the same across the board...

I could be wrong, but are male models and female photographers being overlooked on photography form sites? If yes, how do you go about getting them posting again?

Please DO NOT see this as an attack or self promotion, this is just a few questions that I have been getting me interested...

Please keep it productive and constructive,,,, your views please!

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MattMiller

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 20, 2015 8:23pm

The primary drawback with male models is lack of tits, if more male models had tits there would be more work for them ... simples ...

That said, from my perspective at least, gender is not an issue, its ability and how good the idea is. I have lost count of the models I have worked with but the proportion of male models is analogous to the proportion of male models in circulation, something in the region of 20 to 1 by my estimation, it may be less than that, but my particular field attracts a rather more eclectic bunch of models than other fields such as glamour, pretentious nude or fetish.

I refuse to sell my work but I dont see any gender patterns in work stolen from me ... I dont think it matters much, i dont think male models confer any specific advantage to the value of an image, its what the brief requires ... certainly in the online hobby dominated photography world tits reign supreme, male models lacking tits need a good USP or plastic surgery.

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takeapicofme

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 22, 2015 3:51pm

First off. love the pics on your page!

Anyway back on topic. lol Yep, it is interesting what you are saying... Prob, I need a sex op... lol

What has got me though is only one reply so far!!!

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Beemer2009

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 23, 2015 4:30am

Morning.

I do not post here often .

As a photographer I tended to shot just female models , only due to the fact I had never thought of shooting a male model, and when asked about it I found it hard to explain why not ...... Then it hit me , it was because I was embarrassed of shooting a nude male . In my mind I found it strange and wrong , but I'm a photographer , I shoot babies, Dogs, cats cars, landscapes .
Well the opportunity turned up, a photographer booked my studio to shoot a male model, the model was Dream Boy , who had looked at my PP and asked me to shoot him too, then the whole embarrassment thing went out the window , I have now shot him 3 times and shot another male model 3 or 4 times since and have no problem now.

I think the problem is with most of us, images of Females in a state of undress pleases the male population and we voice it, but images of Male models, if we the male say he has a great shape/body most of our friends think we are swinging the wrong way ..... My Dad was mortified at first that I had shot a male model on his own !! Not with a female model , but when he saw the images it surprised him , and my Mum was in love I think most photographers find it hard to break that stigma of shooting male models .

As for female photographers I have had a few come through the studio, again shooting female models who are new to modelling , and most of them are better than then male ones lol .

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tommy61

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 25, 2015 6:49pm

male models on any of the british modelling sites will always find it hard to get work....
as has been stated a few times -us guys dont have boobs and nice figures to be looked at....
male photographers dont really want to look at a male nude----
unless the male photographer is bi or gay....
beemer replied and made the comment that he has now got used to shooting males----unsure when he shot dream boy-
but can def say he has shot myself back in 2011....but at that time i was doing a duo shoot with storm.



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takeapicofme

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 26, 2015 2:30am

RedBaron, oddly, until last year and 1/2 I have done well on here considering most sites like this... Oddly I do extreamly well with female photographers and also on most professional websites, it is amateur sites that let the side down. I do bondage as it earns me far more and gets far more jobs in, as less males are willing to do proper bondage. Sadly this site will not let me put them on. Again a strange thing I find with amateur sites who are ok with females in sexual settings, but are uncountable with males... Personally I think it is down to most people thinking as a few posts have said/suggested, amateurs think they could be seen as gay etc, so do not shoot male models... Professional photographers see the cash and do it, as they tend not to be worried by the social stigma.

Beemer2009, it is interesting what you say about female photographers... lol Strange they don't post on sites like this as often!

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MattMiller

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 26, 2015 4:26am

quoting post from takeapicofme:

I do bondage as it earns me far more and gets far more jobs in, as less males are willing to do proper bondage. Sadly this site will not let me put them on. Again a strange thing I find with amateur sites who are ok with females in sexual settings, but are uncountable with males... Personally I think it is down to most people thinking as a few posts have said/suggested, amateurs think they could be seen as gay etc, so do not shoot male models... Professional photographers see the cash and do it, as they tend not to be worried by the social stigma.

Beemer2009, it is interesting what you say about female photographers... lol Strange they don't post on sites like this as often!


Im not sure how much you were directly affected by the law change last year that brought online videos under the same rules as published hard copies. It effectively destroyed the commercial fetish market in the UK by making UK fetish content too vanilla to compete with its European and even US conterparts. Fetish for web consumption is dead in the UK, and as a result there is no longer much commercial work around, every fetish producer I know has either retired or switched to vanilla porn or wedding photography ... Even if you only shot stills the big money came from video, without this financial dynamo at the heart iof the industry there is no longer any money for most flavours of commercial fetish stills shoots in the UK either ... Its hobbyists only now, less money and much less work ... I'm willing to bet that even if its only indirectly your lack of shoots is an effect of the trickledown from last years law change.

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takeapicofme

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RE: Male models on profiles... Sep 26, 2015 9:32pm

MattMiller - Interesting point. It seems to have frightened off many photographers, but oddly most of the rules targeted female models! The convoluted nature of the new law has meant problems for us, but you just work around it. The law has many gaps now and most have found ways to keep shooting, if they wanted to. The oddest thing is, it only affects you, if the content is "TV like"... what ever that is... lol Very bad wording.. A few other bits and well, you can drive a bus through it... Sadly it is not as easy as in the US etc. but it is still able to be done.

What I'm seeing a massive rise in, ever since 50 Shades came out, is so called "Castings" that are being set up be female 'doms'. Basically most are using video shoots as a form of getting around prostitution laws in the UK... In short models pay to be videoed and then pay to allow the 'dom' to sell the footage. The cash raised goes straight to the 'dom' as well... The male model does not get a copy or often get to see it, unless they pay... But these are not real videos ether and most doing them are just looking for quick cash, any way they can get it. Oddly they don't charge female models with this type of shoot???

Saying that I have seen a rise in cons for female models in the fet side of the industry as well, since 50 Shades...

It is not just the fet side that seems to be lacking male models... It is across the board... Plus the lack of female togs on sites like this, is strange. I think it is the feeling being given out that puts female togs off joining... I have asked a few and they say that when on sites like this, that they just get asked to model by other togs... They also complain that sites have a lack of male models on as well... So how do you tackle it?

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