There has been an increasing growth in the number of photographers that have been adding model accounts. This is not allowed and users found doing this will be removed. If you are a photographer and are running model accounts, please let me know so I can remove the model(s) account from our database.

I do not understand what the reasoning is behind your not letting photographers run model accounts. I see that the account for Kia23 was suspended 2 days after I created it for her, presumeably for this reason.

If I put the contact details of Kia on this site she will be inundated with picture collectors and men who simply cannot understand what 'I only model topless' means. Whilst I am sure there are at least some genuine users of this site, like myself, I run her account because

(a)I own all the gucci computer kit so it is easy

(b)I am her friend and

(c)I can filter all the crap that comes into the inbox before she gets the impression that this game is full of perverts.

If you don't want her on your site go ahead... delete her and I will send her details somewhere else.

Mark

I think simply put, the photographer running a model account has then become an agency?

"Several Norwich models are available for work through myself"

It does sound a bit like a agency to me

UKMod2

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I do not understand what the reasoning is behind your not letting photographers run model accounts. I see that the account for Kia23 was suspended 2 days after I created it for her, presumeably for this reason.

If I put the contact details of Kia on this site she will be inundated with picture collectors and men who simply cannot understand what 'I only model topless' means. Whilst I am sure there are at least some genuine users of this site, like myself, I run her account because

(a)I own all the gucci computer kit so it is easy

(b)I am her friend and

(c)I can filter all the crap that comes into the inbox before she gets the impression that this game is full of perverts.

If you don't want her on your site go ahead... delete her and I will send her details somewhere else.

Mark

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I can read your post as, I don't want Kia23 to contact photographers herself, as perhaps you'll lose your cut?

Your profile does read like a agency.

Id like to ask if a Photographer is suspect of running model accounts, can you report him? I doubt any female would have any vested interests in managing models - and theyre not known to be possessive... I would like to back Admin on this, as there are some "Photographers" who do this type of thing, and theyre NOT an agent, and its sad to see models not recieving work offers due to these issues...!

quoting post from Finch6:

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If I put the contact details of Kia on this site she will be inundated with picture collectors and men who simply cannot understand what 'I only model topless' means. Whilst I am sure there are at least some genuine users of this site, like myself, I run her account because

(a)I own all the gucci computer kit so it is easy

(b)I am her friend and

(c)I can filter all the crap that comes into the inbox before she gets the impression that this game is full of perverts.

If you don't want her on your site go ahead... delete her and I will send her details somewhere else.

Mark

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Mark,

There are several problems with photographers creating model accounts. Most of the time it was that the photographer did not have permission to do so from the model, or that the photographer was not making it clear on the portfolio that there was a third party running the account.

We will be expanding the account types available with the new update. We plan on taking all of this into consideration.

James Hussein
Managing Member, Net-Model, LLC.

does this also include photographers who are also models?

" does this also include photographers who are also models? "

One of the idiosyncrasies of Net-Model is that a model can start a second portfolio as a photographer - and several UK models have - but the last time I can remember a UK photographer openly registered himself as a model, he ran into trouble. Maybe one of the Moderators or Administrators would care to give us the official line on this dual identity issue.

Bob

I also agree but we all know that it still happens,

Its a question of loyalties i know theres alot of photographers on here that have come to be friends and would always tell me if i was being portrayed either in a good way or a bad one in the photographers forums even when ive not asked for the information, there is absolutley no way of keeping it completley confidential,

This does worry me as i have always been a supporter of the model ref and photographer ref check forums,

But im also not nieve to think they arent ever seen by the people its supose to be hidden from.

nicola x

wake me with your kiss x

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" does this also include photographers who are also models? "

One of the idiosyncrasies of Net-Model is that a model can start a second portfolio as a photographer - and several UK models have - but the last time I can remember a UK photographer openly registered himself as a model, he ran into trouble. Maybe one of the Moderators or Administrators would care to give us the official line on this dual identity issue.

Bob

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That makes no sence.....

How would they know if you were a photographer or model first? (other then the obvious 'you registered as _____ first')

say a photographer/model just came across this site, they register as a photographer because that happens to be the mode they are in, then an hour later they registar as a model, does this get them into trouble? Would they not be in trouble had they just registared as a model a few min before registaring as a photographer? Is it a crime to be on both sides of the camera?

quoting post from Finch6:

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(a)I own all the gucci computer kit so it is easy

(b)I am her friend and

(c)I can filter all the crap that comes into the inbox before she gets the impression that this game is full of perverts.

If you don't want her on your site go ahead... delete her and I will send her details somewhere else.

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Svengali ?

There are also agencies on this site who pretend to be models, writing as if they are the model and signing off in their names.
I have no problem with agencies, but lets be transparent about it.

Hi
Most of you know Mick,he is not a photographer of models, he snaps me now an then to see how new clothes model an the poses I can do without showing anything, his photography is factories an industrial places.
If a booking comes in he checks it out an turns to other people to check as well, being im totaly forgetful an disorganised he sets dates an times for shoots an drives me there as chaperone,those who have booked me know he contacts them day before a shoot to say we are coming, so both sides know wot the shoot will be when im not here he run my accont, I dont pay him he gets his pay as he said by "seeing me make it" hes not a agent nor does he profit at all from me.he has chatted to james about our way of doing things recently, i can see the n-m way of thinking if me an mick do what we done must be others like us as well
thought i would have my say, wether it means or makes sence to this thread i dont know
sheena


future cover girl sheena x

Hi
Most of you know Mick,he is not a photographer of models, he snaps me now an then to see how new clothes model an the poses I can do without showing anything, his photography is factories an industrial places.
If a booking comes in he checks it out an turns to other people to check as well, being im totaly forgetful an disorganised he sets dates an times for shoots an drives me there as chaperone,those who have booked me know he contacts them day before a shoot to say we are coming, so both sides know wot the shoot will be when im not here he run my accont, I dont pay him he gets his pay as he said by "seeing me make it" hes not a agent nor does he profit at all from me.he has chatted to james about our way of doing things recently, i can see the n-m way of thinking if me an mick do what we done must be others like us as well
thought i would have my say, wether it means or makes sence to this thread i dont know
sheena


future cover girl sheena x

Well for instance I think one is online RIGHT NOW posing as a model....

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

I doubt very much that the person in question needs to go on here, and would only put ONE picture on their account....

Quickly sniff them out, its not fair on the model and I wonder, really who is doing this???

I, for one, think that it is a deceptive trade practice for a model not to disclose that she is represented by an agency or for an photographer to umbrella as an agency for models without disclosure.

There are a number of professional and ethical problems involved in these practices. (California is one state that recognizes a problem and requires a minimum $10,000 bond to be an agency.) Ethically, who is a photographer to "protect a model"? Filtering, sorting, and vetting clients is an agency's job. Besides, do you want the liability of rejecting the photoshoot that might have been a model's big break? You'll probably get your butt sued off by your supposed model/friend unless you've got some type of contract protecting you. Oh? Did you say you DO have some form of contract or written agreement? Ah! Then you ARE an agency. Can I see your business license, please? Professionally, I do not even want to touch the matter of making recommendations to other photographers, much less screening out photographers. Go check tort records, my friends. Say something bad about the model and you will learn the definition of the terms slander and libel. Happened to a friend of mine who was very, very pissed about a model's performance on a shoot. He'll be making payments on that claim for years!

Now...the excuse of helping set up the net-model account. Is the model in question in special ed? This site has a very, very simple set-up procedure. I can't conceive of a five year old who couldn't figure it out in minutes.

So, please, let's all be fair and honest. This site is a genuine treasure trove of fresh, unadulterated talent. You can basically find whatever look (model, photographer or stylist) that you want and negotiate terms without all the BS of agencies. Heck, I've been on the site for just two weeks and have already booked three photo sessions quickly and simply. These models will now get additional photos for their portfolios, exporsure in advertising media and, most importantly, get to keep all their pay without splitting a percentage with their pimp...sorry...agency/photographer buddy.

I think we are is a very sticky situation, if the moderator is using IP address only.

Thats a technical issue but my real issues are:

If I were in 'conversation' with a model, who turned out to be a tog or other that was not disclosed to me rather than the model, I would have discuss my ideas, which I believe to have commercial financial value, and my creativness could be compromised by expressing ideas to a tog.

I dont have a problem with togs or others filtering emails, as a serious tog I get upset about the stories I hear, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

It would be best that if you are not directly communicating with the model, that this is established quickly in the exchange of messages.

Paul.

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How would they know if you were a photographer or model first? (other then the obvious 'you registered as _____ first')

say a photographer/model just came across this site, they register as a photographer because that happens to be the mode they are in, then an hour later they registar as a model, does this get them into trouble? Would they not be in trouble had they just registared as a model a few min before registaring as a photographer? Is it a crime to be on both sides of the camera?

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Can I have an awnser from admin on this?

Wow. Did not think that it would be a problem but yes i have contacted models who have model accounts and have received phone calls and eails from photographers. I don't mind chaperones but other togs getting involved? Not sure if thats on or not. Maybe the model prefers if the tog deals with her affairs as her tog will know what to ask for.

I'm pretty sure that there will be photographers signing up as models ( and vice-versa ) just to gain access to the photographer / model reference check part of this site to see if anything has been said about them.

Hence why isnt against the rules yes

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We will be expanding the account types available with the new update. We plan on taking all of this into consideration.

James Hussein
Managing Member, Net-Model, LLC.

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And when will this update be taking place. And what is it tentavily suppose to include.

There are some issues or angles I do not think that have been taken into consideration. or if they were maybe not enough time elaborated on them.

1) Policing the IP address is not necasarilly the way to go. Example, photographers/models from a college or school static IP, This does not mean that they were not two different persons. Yes Im aware of the fact that each PC has thier own IP but in a public internet cafe of a educational facitly its easy for two people to sit at the same PC. this also applies to libraires.

2) Some models might not have internet access, and uses what is readily available to them. I as a photographer Allowed several of the girls that did not have internet to sign up and check thier ports from my Computer. That did not mean i did it or i was running them, they were simply using my connection for themselves,

3) Some models might have requested that the photographer sign them up and help them "screen" thier "oppurtunities"

I as a photographer and a former admin of a simular site can see both sides of the Fence. Net-Model is afraid that photographers and or models are positng Images they do not have legal right to post, thats why they make Disclaimers. Net-Model is also afraid that Photographers are "screening" work that the model Might have been interested in. Or The photographer dont like certain styles or people on the site therefore he conviently discards of the contacts.
But in the same token I can see both sides, I can see a Model Just starting out, whom does not have a internet connection and uses a photographers IP. Now is it fair for that struggling Artist to loose thier account becuase IP is being policed.

Now I had some accounts that were made by My models except I fall under a differnt catagory, When the models made the account we got toghether and decided to make a email address that I could check for them since a majority of them was either in school or worked several jobs, That made me an agency in so many respects, signed up as a photographer I was not allowed to let the girls make accounts. All those accounts were suspended or even deleted. I was out of line. but the sad thing is A new model tried to creat an account from my computer just the other day, and MY IP has been banned from allowing models to create profiles. Thats not good for the model.
Im not saying what Net-Model is doing is wrong, I see what they are doing and I agree with it, what I am asking is that they modify thier tatics and maybe research some situations a little more.

There are going to be alot of things that slip through the admins policing. They have lives too and I assure you that not all of thier bills are being paid by Net-Model there fore thier time is limited to the site. Some Photographers are going to sign up as Models to see whats being said about them in Model forums as will models to scope photographers gossip.

Continued (system would not allow that big a post with out breaking it up)

Here is a couple of Solutions I would like to suggest to the powers that Be.

1)How to stop people registering as a difernt account type to view forums, Allow all members to View forums, However restrict those who can reply or post ONLY. If they can see it, Read it they wont try to trick the system.

2) For those people (like myself) who signed up as a Photographer and then needed to be an agency, allow a specific upgrade to do so. To where Ther ports reveal that they are both or all that they signed up for and they have the all the options combined, its a simple coding rule that can display both options on a page.... ANd offer a small discount. If being a photogrpher Platinum is 20 a month allow the upgrade to be $30 a month, allow them to do both, Not only are they going to think you for giving them a cost break, your going to more likely get those that will sign up that have not been signing up do to the fact they were not wanting to pay the double fees, Money is made better in quanity and not pricing.

3)Send warnings and allow the person to respond and or maybe explain certian types of "rule violations" I agree there are some things that do not beed to be warned, But everyone needs to be treated the same, They guy that has been here for 20 years needs the same treatment that the guy that has been her 20 minutes.

4) Discribe or better explian the site rules, A small simple rule system generally cuases problems, List all the posibilities and the punishment for them, that way people are More informed.

This post Was not directed to anyone or anything in particular, It was made as a suggestion only and was not meant to tuant, disagree with procedures or even to scream disgruntledness. It was simply the views and opinions of one Member of the site trying to help make the site better for All members and for the admins as well. If this post offended anyone then I will apoligize now at this time and assure you it was not meant or directed soley at you.